Friday, January 27, 2006

Tiresome...

Some outlandish comments have arisen over previous St Stanislaus post...I thought I would take the last one made and parse it since it's fairly typical...Of course, it's from "Anonymous", who is, evidently, a friend and supporter of schism, cafeteria "Catholicism", and only God knows what else.
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The entire comment reads:
For all those who blindly follow the "law" of A. Burke and say the rest of us twist the facts...I have relatives in Wisconsin now who know Burke's tactics well...they call him "Rev.Slash & Burn"...we can argue pros and cons of the man and his brand of church leadership forever but bottom line he is a Man with "no protection of infallibility". Those who say the board at St. Stan's is disobeying the Holy See....correct me if I'm wrong but I was taught that the Pope is infallible only in matters of faith(the things we must believe to be Catholic).

The Church hierarchy does and has made mistakes in the past-some things MUST be questioned...what if in our Church history no one had spoken out against the "Inquisition"???

Bringing up the sex abuse scandal is not out of line in these comments because it relates to the fact that the Church greatly mishandled the problem and is in financial straits because of lawyer fees,lawsuits,etc. In some cities the archdiocese' are declaring bankruptcy saying that parish assets belong to the archdiocese while others declare that parishes assets are controlled by the parishes themselves...How can Burke excommunicate the board at St. Stan's for disobeying his orders citing Canon Law? Or is this Canon Law in St. Louis ??!!
So, let's break it down and review it:
For all those who blindly follow the "law" of A. Burke....
Archbishop Burke is not acting arbitrarily nor is he "making it up as he goes along". He's certainly not invoking some recently conjured self-made "law" as you persist in saying but he is obligated to follow Canon Law, the codified laws of the Church! And what's wrong with those who "blindly" assent and follow the laws of the Church? Did not Jesus Himself tell us to "Take up your cross and Follow Me."? Did He not also say to His Apostles (including their successors), "He who hears you hears Me, and He who rejects you, reject Me and He Who sent Me." Was He not obedient to Mary and Joseph? Did He not tell the people to listen and obey those who occupied the seat of Moses?....Is that not sufficient for you? Is this truly not enough? Only those who minds have been clouded with pride will insist that following one's bishop is optional and contrary to Christ's commands.

I have relatives in Wisconsin now....
Should we pity the people of the State of Wisconsin? ;-)

who know Burke's tactics well...
This is hearsay, yes?...What do they know and how did they come to this extraodinary knowledge and wisdom? This sounds like an Appeal to Misleading Authority.

they call him [Abp. Burke] "Rev.Slash & Burn"...
RED HERRING ALERT! Anyway, that's awfully "unChristian" of them, isn't it...or are they in schism as well?

bottom line he is a Man with "no protection of infallibility"....
RED HERRING ALERT! No one has ever claimed this in any conversation, despite the fact that you seem to want to beat this dead horse ad infinitum and seem to be unable to grasp this reality.

correct me if I'm wrong but I was taught that the Pope is infallible only in matters of faith....
Consider yourself duly corrected for you are wrong again! Try reading "Pastor Aeternus" from the First Vatican Council, then try the Catechism (Paragraghs 888-892, 2032-2040). Just for further study, AFTER you feel that you have a foundational understanding of the doctrine, read Ad Tuendam Fidem, Pope John Paul II's Apostolic Letter Motu Proprio and Cardinal Ratzinger's Commentary and explanation on Ad Tuendam Fidem.

The Church hierarchy does and has made mistakes in the past-some things MUST be questioned...
Of course the hierarchy can and does make mistakes. But what does that have to do with this issue? And, lest you forget, there is a process which allows you to address your concerns. If you do not like a decision made by your priest, take it to the bishop - take it Rome if you wish - Ooops, St. Stanislaus has already done that and lost...Then, perhaps, one should appeal to God while still practicing humility and obedience.

But it seems to me that you think that you are endowed with that power, wisdom and ability to make any determination about what is to be questioned and when it is to be questioned and how it is to be decided. If you will read those documents that I have listed above, perhaps you will be moved to swallow this arrogant and prideful thinking and retract this claim of yours - the position of absolute autonomy in determining and resolving certain ecclesiastical matters outside the realm of your authority.

what if in our Church history no one had spoken out against the "Inquisition"?...
RED HERRING ALERT! An attention deflection attempt! Are you now claiming to be an historian as well as a canon lawyer? What do you really know of the inquisition? How many millions of people did the Church execute? What if the Inquisition had never taken place, where would we be now?

Bringing up the sex abuse scandal is not out of line in these comments because it relates to the fact that the Church greatly mishandled the problem...
RED HERRING ALERT! Irrelevant, not at issue! Your Objection is OVERRULED! This has nothing, nada, to do with the St. Stanislaus issue despite your repeated attempts to show a connection which has never existed here. After all, several of the Ordinaries of the Archdiocese have, through the years, tried to resolve the St. Stan's "problem."

In some cities the archdioceses are declaring bankruptcy...
RED HERRING ALERT! Irrelevant, not at issue! Has nothing to do with the St. Louis Archdiocese or St Stanislaus.

How can Burke excommunicate the board at St. Stan's for disobeying his orders citing Canon Law?....
They excommunicated THEMSELVES!!!! Did you not read Archbishop Burke's explanation in the St Louis Review (Dec 16 column)? Did these people NOT bring in a suspended priest contrary to the ecclesiastical laws of the Church?

Or is this Canon Law in St. Louis ??!!....
Do you mean "Burke's Law", that "man-made" law? OK, OK, I give up! You win! I surrender!!!!

We've all been snookered! I've seen the error of my ways and the facts you have so assiduously and repeatedly presented are now clear to me. You've caught all of us in our deceptions and our spin...

Please Lord, grant me patience!

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