Monday, November 29, 2004

Why do they stay "Catholic"?

There will be no stopping the conservative Catholics now that they've tasted victory. Every pro-choice Catholic polictian will be attacked soon and after that will be all ordinary pro-choice people...There will be a war between the Catholics eventually, just wait. I repeat my call from 3 weeks ago--we need a schism in the RCC--a new branch of progressive Catholicism that will be separate from the rest--the laity are ready, but we need priests or bishop to lead us. (Source)
This was in response to the story about State Rep. Barbara L'Italien, D-Andover, who was told by the Fr. William Cleary that she could no longer lead the children's choir and sing as cantor because of her public support for abortion rights. (Story here)

It finally disintegrated into a gripe session about Franciscan University of Steubenville and its students (where one of my sons attends college).
That is the crux of the current division of the Catholic (and acutually all denominations of all faiths). What is "Catholic"?...Through channels I was able to obtain a youth conference CD from a Franciscan University of Stubenville outreach...you are not apparently "Catholic" if you do not follow 100% everything the church and the leaders say. This is no suprise to us because we (including John Kerry, that MA state senator, etc...) have heard this rethoric all year. Good Catholics follow the rules 100% and do not question. Otherwise you are very heraterical...So, in response to your question (which you answered anyways), no unless they are ORTHODOX, they are not truly part of the church. (Source)
The poster then suggests everyone read an interview of the late Bishop Raymond Lucker posted on the "womenpriests" web site...

But it continues...
I've been to plenty of events at good ole FU. My priest is very conservative and very Republican and even he thinks they are way out of line. I had looked into going there to get my Master's in Youth Ministry, and he told me that there were hundreds of better Catholic institutions where I could do that. And it is fact that they have been issued warnings from the Vatican. I was told that by people in Steubenville who would know. (Source)
Oh really??? Hundreds of BETTER "Catholic" institutions? We are lucky if there are a dozen truly Catholic institutions of higher learning in the US.
We had one of those "Steubenville wonders" come through our parish, he got tossed outta town in a hurry...(Source)
I'm really surprised that the open, embracing, inclusive, and diverstity loving couldn;t seem to accept an orthodox and faithful Catholic???
it amazes me how many christians tell others they are damned. the mercy of Jesus is so great that even as he was dying in pain he promised salvation to the thief, he did so to the samaritan woman, forgave the sins of the paralyzed man--without the man even asking for forgiveness--that guy just wanted to walk. Jesus is full of mercy for us, that is the good news! (Source)
Well there are a number of things here...From what I could see, no one ever said that anyone was damned. Secondly, he promised only one of the thieves paradise - the one who had repented. He forgave only those who repented and were moved to a conversion of heart. And of course, Jesus is infinite mercy - as long as we cooperate with the graces he gives us. Adhering to heretical positions or refusing obedience to the Church (and Christ) because of pride excludes us from His mercy.
I just have one more thing to say: if this is the future of Catholicism, God help us all. Doesn't anyone find it very interesting that while Christianity is all the rage across the U.S., Catholic churches struggle to keep their doors open? Don't get me wrong, I like my faith, but I think that the church really needs to face the fact that the world is changing all around it, and it is going to get left behind. (Source)
Ah yes, the Church should go skipping merrily along with the world hand in hand as it goes scampering off the edge of a cliff...just so it doesn't get left behind....

As I completed this the "Group" decided to become "private" so its messages cannot be seen by outsiders...This after one newly banned member defended Franciscan University and its many faithful students (he also has a son there).

But before it did so (go private), anoth poster responded to today's article about Archbishop Burke:
...let's get the people of the Archdiocese of St. Louis to pressure Archbishop Burke to resign his post. (Source)
Like that's likely...As I said, keep praying for our bishops, especially Archbishop Burke.

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